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06-13-2004, 03:59 PM
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| Re: End-Bar mirrors Leo Lichtman wrote: > > "Alex88" wrote: (clip) the cyclop is convex, is a good or a bad thing? > (clip) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Convex is a GOOD thing. It's not so much that it makes things appear > smaller, which it does, but it increases your angle of view. With a flat > mirror you would have to lean to various positions to scan the scene behind > you, which would be difficult, and would never assure you that you have > really taken in everything. In fact, I cannot recall ever seeing a flat > bar-end mirror--I'll bet they are not even available. I've got one. Rhode Gear, I think, and it has a rubber thing shoved into the bar which I have replaced with a grommet. Unfortunately it doesn't bend far enough inward, and it rotates in the bar way too easily so whenever I want to use it I have to hold it with my hand. There really ought to be a better design. I hate convex mirrors -- I can HEAR that there's a car behind me, I just want to know exactly how far away it is, and looking over my shoulder shifts my balance in a way that might put me under the wheels of a cement truck one day. No, if I haven't been able to avoid this after 15,000 miles I probably won't be able to do it next week either. > A flat helmet mirror is OK, because, being close to your eye, it provides a > larger angle of view. Also, you can scan by just turning or tilting your > head. I had one, but I kept knocking it off. The last time it escaped permanently. -- Cheers, Bev ============================================= A: Top posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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06-14-2004, 12:26 AM
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| Re: End-Bar mirrors In rec.bicycles.misc, Leo Lichtman ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere: > Convex is a GOOD thing. ok, thank you  so, what one should I buy? bye bye -- Alex88 "Aio te, Aeacida, Romanos vincere posse" O Eacide, credo che i Romani ti possano vincere. O Eacide, credo che tu possa vincere i Romani. |
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06-14-2004, 12:26 AM
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| Re: End-Bar mirrors In rec.bicycles.misc, Leo Lichtman ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere: > Convex is a GOOD thing. ok, thank you so, what one should I buy? bye bye -- Alex88 "Aio te, Aeacida, Romanos vincere posse" O Eacide, credo che i Romani ti possano vincere. O Eacide, credo che tu possa vincere i Romani. |
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06-14-2004, 12:26 AM
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| Re: End-Bar mirrors In rec.bicycles.misc, Leo Lichtman ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere: > Convex is a GOOD thing. ok, thank you so, what one should I buy? bye bye -- Alex88 "Aio te, Aeacida, Romanos vincere posse" O Eacide, credo che i Romani ti possano vincere. O Eacide, credo che tu possa vincere i Romani. |
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06-14-2004, 12:26 AM
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| Re: End-Bar mirrors In rec.bicycles.misc, Leo Lichtman ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere: > Convex is a GOOD thing. ok, thank you so, what one should I buy? bye bye -- Alex88 "Aio te, Aeacida, Romanos vincere posse" O Eacide, credo che i Romani ti possano vincere. O Eacide, credo che tu possa vincere i Romani. |
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06-14-2004, 12:26 AM
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| Re: End-Bar mirrors In rec.bicycles.misc, Leo Lichtman ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere: > Convex is a GOOD thing. ok, thank you so, what one should I buy? bye bye -- Alex88 "Aio te, Aeacida, Romanos vincere posse" O Eacide, credo che i Romani ti possano vincere. O Eacide, credo che tu possa vincere i Romani. |
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06-14-2004, 05:17 AM
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| Re: End-Bar mirrors On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:59:10 -0700, The Real Bev <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote: >Leo Lichtman wrote: >> >> "Alex88" wrote: (clip) the cyclop is convex, is a good or a bad thing? >> (clip) >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Convex is a GOOD thing. It's not so much that it makes things appear >> smaller, which it does, but it increases your angle of view. With a flat >> mirror you would have to lean to various positions to scan the scene behind >> you, which would be difficult, and would never assure you that you have >> really taken in everything. In fact, I cannot recall ever seeing a flat >> bar-end mirror--I'll bet they are not even available. > >I've got one. Rhode Gear, I think, and it has a rubber thing shoved >into the bar which I have replaced with a grommet. Unfortunately it >doesn't bend far enough inward, and it rotates in the bar way too easily >so whenever I want to use it I have to hold it with my hand. There >really ought to be a better design. I also have the Rhode Gear, and also had the 'bend' and 'rotate' problems. I finally fixed the rotate problem by adding some teflon pipe thread tape to the ball head threads and then securely tightening with pliers. I then bent the rear blades against the handlebar and secured it first with some non-elastic strapping tape, and then covered that with black electricians tape. Now, a week later, both problems are gone. > >I hate convex mirrors -- I can HEAR that there's a car behind me, I just >want to know exactly how far away it is, and looking over my shoulder >shifts my balance in a way that might put me under the wheels of a >cement truck one day. No, if I haven't been able to avoid this after >15,000 miles I probably won't be able to do it next week either. > >> A flat helmet mirror is OK, because, being close to your eye, it provides a >> larger angle of view. Also, you can scan by just turning or tilting your >> head. About the same time, a week ago, as I went to work on the Rhode Gear mirror, I retrieved a Take-a-look eyeglass mirror that had been lying around unused for a few years. Secured it to my sunglasses and went out for a lengthy ride. Now with both handlebar and sunglass mirrors I was able to make a direct comparison. The convex handlebar mirror deceives one into believing that there is more time before the car is alongside, and the eyeglass mirror gives an accurate rendition of the approaching vehicle. The eyeglass mirror is bright and gives a feeling of 'immediacy with the ability to see behind without head movement;, whereas the Rhode gear is tinted, smaller imaged, and takes a much bigger sweep of the head/eyes to secure information. I am going to continue to test both mirrors, but my feeling right now is that I may remove the handlebar mirror. I do find the eyeglass mirror dangling on the side of my head to be somewhat annoying. Perhaps it is just a matter of acclimation. |
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06-14-2004, 05:17 AM
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| Re: End-Bar mirrors On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:59:10 -0700, The Real Bev <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote: >Leo Lichtman wrote: >> >> "Alex88" wrote: (clip) the cyclop is convex, is a good or a bad thing? >> (clip) >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Convex is a GOOD thing. It's not so much that it makes things appear >> smaller, which it does, but it increases your angle of view. With a flat >> mirror you would have to lean to various positions to scan the scene behind >> you, which would be difficult, and would never assure you that you have >> really taken in everything. In fact, I cannot recall ever seeing a flat >> bar-end mirror--I'll bet they are not even available. > >I've got one. Rhode Gear, I think, and it has a rubber thing shoved >into the bar which I have replaced with a grommet. Unfortunately it >doesn't bend far enough inward, and it rotates in the bar way too easily >so whenever I want to use it I have to hold it with my hand. There >really ought to be a better design. I also have the Rhode Gear, and also had the 'bend' and 'rotate' problems. I finally fixed the rotate problem by adding some teflon pipe thread tape to the ball head threads and then securely tightening with pliers. I then bent the rear blades against the handlebar and secured it first with some non-elastic strapping tape, and then covered that with black electricians tape. Now, a week later, both problems are gone. > >I hate convex mirrors -- I can HEAR that there's a car behind me, I just >want to know exactly how far away it is, and looking over my shoulder >shifts my balance in a way that might put me under the wheels of a >cement truck one day. No, if I haven't been able to avoid this after >15,000 miles I probably won't be able to do it next week either. > >> A flat helmet mirror is OK, because, being close to your eye, it provides a >> larger angle of view. Also, you can scan by just turning or tilting your >> head. About the same time, a week ago, as I went to work on the Rhode Gear mirror, I retrieved a Take-a-look eyeglass mirror that had been lying around unused for a few years. Secured it to my sunglasses and went out for a lengthy ride. Now with both handlebar and sunglass mirrors I was able to make a direct comparison. The convex handlebar mirror deceives one into believing that there is more time before the car is alongside, and the eyeglass mirror gives an accurate rendition of the approaching vehicle. The eyeglass mirror is bright and gives a feeling of 'immediacy with the ability to see behind without head movement;, whereas the Rhode gear is tinted, smaller imaged, and takes a much bigger sweep of the head/eyes to secure information. I am going to continue to test both mirrors, but my feeling right now is that I may remove the handlebar mirror. I do find the eyeglass mirror dangling on the side of my head to be somewhat annoying. Perhaps it is just a matter of acclimation. |
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06-14-2004, 05:17 AM
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| Re: End-Bar mirrors On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:59:10 -0700, The Real Bev <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote: >Leo Lichtman wrote: >> >> "Alex88" wrote: (clip) the cyclop is convex, is a good or a bad thing? >> (clip) >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Convex is a GOOD thing. It's not so much that it makes things appear >> smaller, which it does, but it increases your angle of view. With a flat >> mirror you would have to lean to various positions to scan the scene behind >> you, which would be difficult, and would never assure you that you have >> really taken in everything. In fact, I cannot recall ever seeing a flat >> bar-end mirror--I'll bet they are not even available. > >I've got one. Rhode Gear, I think, and it has a rubber thing shoved >into the bar which I have replaced with a grommet. Unfortunately it >doesn't bend far enough inward, and it rotates in the bar way too easily >so whenever I want to use it I have to hold it with my hand. There >really ought to be a better design. I also have the Rhode Gear, and also had the 'bend' and 'rotate' problems. I finally fixed the rotate problem by adding some teflon pipe thread tape to the ball head threads and then securely tightening with pliers. I then bent the rear blades against the handlebar and secured it first with some non-elastic strapping tape, and then covered that with black electricians tape. Now, a week later, both problems are gone. > >I hate convex mirrors -- I can HEAR that there's a car behind me, I just >want to know exactly how far away it is, and looking over my shoulder >shifts my balance in a way that might put me under the wheels of a >cement truck one day. No, if I haven't been able to avoid this after >15,000 miles I probably won't be able to do it next week either. > >> A flat helmet mirror is OK, because, being close to your eye, it provides a >> larger angle of view. Also, you can scan by just turning or tilting your >> head. About the same time, a week ago, as I went to work on the Rhode Gear mirror, I retrieved a Take-a-look eyeglass mirror that had been lying around unused for a few years. Secured it to my sunglasses and went out for a lengthy ride. Now with both handlebar and sunglass mirrors I was able to make a direct comparison. The convex handlebar mirror deceives one into believing that there is more time before the car is alongside, and the eyeglass mirror gives an accurate rendition of the approaching vehicle. The eyeglass mirror is bright and gives a feeling of 'immediacy with the ability to see behind without head movement;, whereas the Rhode gear is tinted, smaller imaged, and takes a much bigger sweep of the head/eyes to secure information. I am going to continue to test both mirrors, but my feeling right now is that I may remove the handlebar mirror. I do find the eyeglass mirror dangling on the side of my head to be somewhat annoying. Perhaps it is just a matter of acclimation. |
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06-14-2004, 05:17 AM
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| Re: End-Bar mirrors On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:59:10 -0700, The Real Bev <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote: >Leo Lichtman wrote: >> >> "Alex88" wrote: (clip) the cyclop is convex, is a good or a bad thing? >> (clip) >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Convex is a GOOD thing. It's not so much that it makes things appear >> smaller, which it does, but it increases your angle of view. With a flat >> mirror you would have to lean to various positions to scan the scene behind >> you, which would be difficult, and would never assure you that you have >> really taken in everything. In fact, I cannot recall ever seeing a flat >> bar-end mirror--I'll bet they are not even available. > >I've got one. Rhode Gear, I think, and it has a rubber thing shoved >into the bar which I have replaced with a grommet. Unfortunately it >doesn't bend far enough inward, and it rotates in the bar way too easily >so whenever I want to use it I have to hold it with my hand. There >really ought to be a better design. I also have the Rhode Gear, and also had the 'bend' and 'rotate' problems. I finally fixed the rotate problem by adding some teflon pipe thread tape to the ball head threads and then securely tightening with pliers. I then bent the rear blades against the handlebar and secured it first with some non-elastic strapping tape, and then covered that with black electricians tape. Now, a week later, both problems are gone. > >I hate convex mirrors -- I can HEAR that there's a car behind me, I just >want to know exactly how far away it is, and looking over my shoulder >shifts my balance in a way that might put me under the wheels of a >cement truck one day. No, if I haven't been able to avoid this after >15,000 miles I probably won't be able to do it next week either. > >> A flat helmet mirror is OK, because, being close to your eye, it provides a >> larger angle of view. Also, you can scan by just turning or tilting your >> head. About the same time, a week ago, as I went to work on the Rhode Gear mirror, I retrieved a Take-a-look eyeglass mirror that had been lying around unused for a few years. Secured it to my sunglasses and went out for a lengthy ride. Now with both handlebar and sunglass mirrors I was able to make a direct comparison. The convex handlebar mirror deceives one into believing that there is more time before the car is alongside, and the eyeglass mirror gives an accurate rendition of the approaching vehicle. The eyeglass mirror is bright and gives a feeling of 'immediacy with the ability to see behind without head movement;, whereas the Rhode gear is tinted, smaller imaged, and takes a much bigger sweep of the head/eyes to secure information. I am going to continue to test both mirrors, but my feeling right now is that I may remove the handlebar mirror. I do find the eyeglass mirror dangling on the side of my head to be somewhat annoying. Perhaps it is just a matter of acclimation. |
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