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06-14-2004, 05:19 PM

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:19:55 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
wrote:
>I just had a couple of hot dogs for lunch, with hot
>mustard & cold sauerkraut.

Why would you ruin the flavor of hot dogs by putting all sorts of
garbage on them?

>My compliments for correctly spelling 'wiener' --
>'i' before 'e', as in 'Vienna'.

"Vee-enn-uh", "Wee-enn-err"?

I before E [except after C, etc] is an english rule; I'm pretty sure
"weiner" is german-derived, where I think E before I is common.

I'm probably wrong. I just did a little googling and now believe
that you are correct. I will, however, continue to be wrong. So
there!

I ought to go eat a hot dog. Or, a weiner -- two entirely different
foods, similar in appearance and construction, but dissimilar in
ingredients (AFAIK) and served differently.

"New York System Hot Weiners" apparently only exist in Rhode Island.
They are yummy, and most definitely not hot dogs. They are often
served loaded with toppings, although I don't know what they all
are, since I tend to get them plain, or with "meat sauce", a ground
meat product of unknown origin which is very different from one
weiner joint to the next.

If you can tolerate the awful fake typed approximation of a
stereotypical overblown accent, here's some RI-only foods:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Oscar Mayer weiners are hot dogs.

Coney Island weiners are icky.
--
Rick Onanian

06-14-2004, 05:39 PM

Rick Onanian wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:19:55 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>> I just had a couple of hot dogs for lunch, with hot
>> mustard & cold sauerkraut.
>
> Why would you ruin the flavor of hot dogs by putting all sorts of
> garbage on them?

Why would you eat something with the flavour of hot dogs to begin with, if
real sausages were available?

>> My compliments for correctly spelling 'wiener' --
>> 'i' before 'e', as in 'Vienna'.
>
> "Vee-enn-uh", "Wee-enn-err"?
>
> I before E [except after C, etc] is an english rule; I'm pretty sure
> "weiner" is german-derived, where I think E before I is common.

It's derived from ... Vienna!

"Weiner" in German would be pronounced something like "viner". Generally
when you see two adjacent vowels in German, you pronounce the second vowel.
Perhaps in English, "weiner" should be pronounced "whiner".

Wienerwurst = Vienna sausage.

> I'm probably wrong. I just did a little googling and now believe
> that you are correct. I will, however, continue to be wrong. So
> there!

What do you hope to acheive with this mischeif?

--
Benjamin Lewis

Hey! I'm only fourteen, sickly 'n' thin
Tried all of my life just to grow me a chin
It popped out once, but my dad pushed it in. -- FZ

06-14-2004, 05:39 PM

Rick Onanian wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:19:55 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>> I just had a couple of hot dogs for lunch, with hot
>> mustard & cold sauerkraut.
>
> Why would you ruin the flavor of hot dogs by putting all sorts of
> garbage on them?

Why would you eat something with the flavour of hot dogs to begin with, if
real sausages were available?

>> My compliments for correctly spelling 'wiener' --
>> 'i' before 'e', as in 'Vienna'.
>
> "Vee-enn-uh", "Wee-enn-err"?
>
> I before E [except after C, etc] is an english rule; I'm pretty sure
> "weiner" is german-derived, where I think E before I is common.

It's derived from ... Vienna!

"Weiner" in German would be pronounced something like "viner". Generally
when you see two adjacent vowels in German, you pronounce the second vowel.
Perhaps in English, "weiner" should be pronounced "whiner".

Wienerwurst = Vienna sausage.

> I'm probably wrong. I just did a little googling and now believe
> that you are correct. I will, however, continue to be wrong. So
> there!

What do you hope to acheive with this mischeif?

--
Benjamin Lewis

Hey! I'm only fourteen, sickly 'n' thin
Tried all of my life just to grow me a chin
It popped out once, but my dad pushed it in. -- FZ

06-14-2004, 05:39 PM

Rick Onanian wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:19:55 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>> I just had a couple of hot dogs for lunch, with hot
>> mustard & cold sauerkraut.
>
> Why would you ruin the flavor of hot dogs by putting all sorts of
> garbage on them?

Why would you eat something with the flavour of hot dogs to begin with, if
real sausages were available?

>> My compliments for correctly spelling 'wiener' --
>> 'i' before 'e', as in 'Vienna'.
>
> "Vee-enn-uh", "Wee-enn-err"?
>
> I before E [except after C, etc] is an english rule; I'm pretty sure
> "weiner" is german-derived, where I think E before I is common.

It's derived from ... Vienna!

"Weiner" in German would be pronounced something like "viner". Generally
when you see two adjacent vowels in German, you pronounce the second vowel.
Perhaps in English, "weiner" should be pronounced "whiner".

Wienerwurst = Vienna sausage.

> I'm probably wrong. I just did a little googling and now believe
> that you are correct. I will, however, continue to be wrong. So
> there!

What do you hope to acheive with this mischeif?

--
Benjamin Lewis

Hey! I'm only fourteen, sickly 'n' thin
Tried all of my life just to grow me a chin
It popped out once, but my dad pushed it in. -- FZ

06-14-2004, 05:39 PM

Rick Onanian wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:19:55 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>> I just had a couple of hot dogs for lunch, with hot
>> mustard & cold sauerkraut.
>
> Why would you ruin the flavor of hot dogs by putting all sorts of
> garbage on them?

Why would you eat something with the flavour of hot dogs to begin with, if
real sausages were available?

>> My compliments for correctly spelling 'wiener' --
>> 'i' before 'e', as in 'Vienna'.
>
> "Vee-enn-uh", "Wee-enn-err"?
>
> I before E [except after C, etc] is an english rule; I'm pretty sure
> "weiner" is german-derived, where I think E before I is common.

It's derived from ... Vienna!

"Weiner" in German would be pronounced something like "viner". Generally
when you see two adjacent vowels in German, you pronounce the second vowel.
Perhaps in English, "weiner" should be pronounced "whiner".

Wienerwurst = Vienna sausage.

> I'm probably wrong. I just did a little googling and now believe
> that you are correct. I will, however, continue to be wrong. So
> there!

What do you hope to acheive with this mischeif?

--
Benjamin Lewis

Hey! I'm only fourteen, sickly 'n' thin
Tried all of my life just to grow me a chin
It popped out once, but my dad pushed it in. -- FZ

06-14-2004, 05:39 PM

Rick Onanian wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:19:55 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>> I just had a couple of hot dogs for lunch, with hot
>> mustard & cold sauerkraut.
>
> Why would you ruin the flavor of hot dogs by putting all sorts of
> garbage on them?

Why would you eat something with the flavour of hot dogs to begin with, if
real sausages were available?

>> My compliments for correctly spelling 'wiener' --
>> 'i' before 'e', as in 'Vienna'.
>
> "Vee-enn-uh", "Wee-enn-err"?
>
> I before E [except after C, etc] is an english rule; I'm pretty sure
> "weiner" is german-derived, where I think E before I is common.

It's derived from ... Vienna!

"Weiner" in German would be pronounced something like "viner". Generally
when you see two adjacent vowels in German, you pronounce the second vowel.
Perhaps in English, "weiner" should be pronounced "whiner".

Wienerwurst = Vienna sausage.

> I'm probably wrong. I just did a little googling and now believe
> that you are correct. I will, however, continue to be wrong. So
> there!

What do you hope to acheive with this mischeif?

--
Benjamin Lewis

Hey! I'm only fourteen, sickly 'n' thin
Tried all of my life just to grow me a chin
It popped out once, but my dad pushed it in. -- FZ

06-14-2004, 05:47 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:19:55 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>>I just had a couple of hot dogs for lunch, with hot
>>mustard & cold sauerkraut.
>
> Why would you ruin the flavor of hot dogs by putting all sorts of
> garbage on them?

I guess one man's ruination is another's enhancement.
I was going to say "one man's meat is another man's poison",
but hey -- we're already talking about sausage meat anyways.

>>My compliments for correctly spelling 'wiener' --
>>'i' before 'e', as in 'Vienna'.
>
> "Vee-enn-uh", "Wee-enn-err"?
>
> I before E [except after C, etc] is an english rule; I'm pretty sure
> "weiner" is german-derived, where I think E before I is common.
>
> I'm probably wrong. I just did a little googling and now believe
> that you are correct. I will, however, continue to be wrong. So
> there!

Here's another item for your pedant's toolbelt: Etymology Online:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

'wiener - 1904, shortening of wienerwurst
(1889), from Ger. Wiener "of Vienna" (from Wien
"Vienna") + Wurst "sausage." Clipped form
wienie is attested from 1911. Extensive
pejorative senses developed from its penis-like
shape.'

> I ought to go eat a hot dog. Or, a weiner

I recommend the former. Nobody can stand a weiner.

> -- two entirely different
> foods, similar in appearance and construction, but dissimilar in
> ingredients (AFAIK) and served differently.
>
> "New York System Hot Weiners" apparently only exist in Rhode Island.
> They are yummy, and most definitely not hot dogs. They are often
> served loaded with toppings, although I don't know what they all
> are, since I tend to get them plain, or with "meat sauce", a ground
> meat product of unknown origin which is very different from one
> weiner joint to the next.
>
> If you can tolerate the awful fake typed approximation of a
> stereotypical overblown accent, here's some RI-only foods:
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> Oscar Mayer weiners are hot dogs.
>
> Coney Island weiners are icky.

Thanx for the info. I'll use it wisely.

cheers,
Tom

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06-14-2004, 05:47 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:19:55 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>>I just had a couple of hot dogs for lunch, with hot
>>mustard & cold sauerkraut.
>
> Why would you ruin the flavor of hot dogs by putting all sorts of
> garbage on them?

I guess one man's ruination is another's enhancement.
I was going to say "one man's meat is another man's poison",
but hey -- we're already talking about sausage meat anyways.

>>My compliments for correctly spelling 'wiener' --
>>'i' before 'e', as in 'Vienna'.
>
> "Vee-enn-uh", "Wee-enn-err"?
>
> I before E [except after C, etc] is an english rule; I'm pretty sure
> "weiner" is german-derived, where I think E before I is common.
>
> I'm probably wrong. I just did a little googling and now believe
> that you are correct. I will, however, continue to be wrong. So
> there!

Here's another item for your pedant's toolbelt: Etymology Online:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

'wiener - 1904, shortening of wienerwurst
(1889), from Ger. Wiener "of Vienna" (from Wien
"Vienna") + Wurst "sausage." Clipped form
wienie is attested from 1911. Extensive
pejorative senses developed from its penis-like
shape.'

> I ought to go eat a hot dog. Or, a weiner

I recommend the former. Nobody can stand a weiner.

> -- two entirely different
> foods, similar in appearance and construction, but dissimilar in
> ingredients (AFAIK) and served differently.
>
> "New York System Hot Weiners" apparently only exist in Rhode Island.
> They are yummy, and most definitely not hot dogs. They are often
> served loaded with toppings, although I don't know what they all
> are, since I tend to get them plain, or with "meat sauce", a ground
> meat product of unknown origin which is very different from one
> weiner joint to the next.
>
> If you can tolerate the awful fake typed approximation of a
> stereotypical overblown accent, here's some RI-only foods:
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> Oscar Mayer weiners are hot dogs.
>
> Coney Island weiners are icky.

Thanx for the info. I'll use it wisely.

cheers,
Tom

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06-14-2004, 05:47 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:19:55 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>>I just had a couple of hot dogs for lunch, with hot
>>mustard & cold sauerkraut.
>
> Why would you ruin the flavor of hot dogs by putting all sorts of
> garbage on them?

I guess one man's ruination is another's enhancement.
I was going to say "one man's meat is another man's poison",
but hey -- we're already talking about sausage meat anyways.

>>My compliments for correctly spelling 'wiener' --
>>'i' before 'e', as in 'Vienna'.
>
> "Vee-enn-uh", "Wee-enn-err"?
>
> I before E [except after C, etc] is an english rule; I'm pretty sure
> "weiner" is german-derived, where I think E before I is common.
>
> I'm probably wrong. I just did a little googling and now believe
> that you are correct. I will, however, continue to be wrong. So
> there!

Here's another item for your pedant's toolbelt: Etymology Online:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

'wiener - 1904, shortening of wienerwurst
(1889), from Ger. Wiener "of Vienna" (from Wien
"Vienna") + Wurst "sausage." Clipped form
wienie is attested from 1911. Extensive
pejorative senses developed from its penis-like
shape.'

> I ought to go eat a hot dog. Or, a weiner

I recommend the former. Nobody can stand a weiner.

> -- two entirely different
> foods, similar in appearance and construction, but dissimilar in
> ingredients (AFAIK) and served differently.
>
> "New York System Hot Weiners" apparently only exist in Rhode Island.
> They are yummy, and most definitely not hot dogs. They are often
> served loaded with toppings, although I don't know what they all
> are, since I tend to get them plain, or with "meat sauce", a ground
> meat product of unknown origin which is very different from one
> weiner joint to the next.
>
> If you can tolerate the awful fake typed approximation of a
> stereotypical overblown accent, here's some RI-only foods:
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> Oscar Mayer weiners are hot dogs.
>
> Coney Island weiners are icky.

Thanx for the info. I'll use it wisely.

cheers,
Tom

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06-14-2004, 05:47 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:19:55 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>>I just had a couple of hot dogs for lunch, with hot
>>mustard & cold sauerkraut.
>
> Why would you ruin the flavor of hot dogs by putting all sorts of
> garbage on them?

I guess one man's ruination is another's enhancement.
I was going to say "one man's meat is another man's poison",
but hey -- we're already talking about sausage meat anyways.

>>My compliments for correctly spelling 'wiener' --
>>'i' before 'e', as in 'Vienna'.
>
> "Vee-enn-uh", "Wee-enn-err"?
>
> I before E [except after C, etc] is an english rule; I'm pretty sure
> "weiner" is german-derived, where I think E before I is common.
>
> I'm probably wrong. I just did a little googling and now believe
> that you are correct. I will, however, continue to be wrong. So
> there!

Here's another item for your pedant's toolbelt: Etymology Online:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

'wiener - 1904, shortening of wienerwurst
(1889), from Ger. Wiener "of Vienna" (from Wien
"Vienna") + Wurst "sausage." Clipped form
wienie is attested from 1911. Extensive
pejorative senses developed from its penis-like
shape.'

> I ought to go eat a hot dog. Or, a weiner

I recommend the former. Nobody can stand a weiner.

> -- two entirely different
> foods, similar in appearance and construction, but dissimilar in
> ingredients (AFAIK) and served differently.
>
> "New York System Hot Weiners" apparently only exist in Rhode Island.
> They are yummy, and most definitely not hot dogs. They are often
> served loaded with toppings, although I don't know what they all
> are, since I tend to get them plain, or with "meat sauce", a ground
> meat product of unknown origin which is very different from one
> weiner joint to the next.
>
> If you can tolerate the awful fake typed approximation of a
> stereotypical overblown accent, here's some RI-only foods:
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> Oscar Mayer weiners are hot dogs.
>
> Coney Island weiners are icky.

Thanx for the info. I'll use it wisely.

cheers,
Tom

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