Effect of raising saddle? - Page 10 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-17-2004, 02:09 PM

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:23:28 -0400, "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>:: Forward, actually, though (referencing the other message),
>
>Stupid me....
>
>if you can
>:: raise your handlebars by the same amount, then your reach should be
>:: very close to what it was before you raised the seat, and you
>:: shouldn't need a new stem. If your seat tube angle and head tube
>:: angle are the same, then the bars and the seat will stay the same
>:: distance apart if you raise them both the same amount.
>
>I probably should have had them both done at the same time...I'll probably
>end up being uncomfortable on the bike and end up paying for the pro
>fitting.

IMO, they're f-ing with ya Roger. If you bought a road bike worth at least
1000 bucks, the fitting should be part of it, and you shouldn't have to
pay. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that a bike marked $1200 you should
be able to dicker down to ~1000, and the fitting and free adjustments for
life is the norm. They should be courting -your- good favor, b/c they know
that you'll be spending another 500 or so in the next year at their store.

I'd go back and talk to the owner, tell him you planned to drop some fair
bill in his store, but you feel you're being screwed around with, and not
being given the basic normal treatment that most bike shops give even
customers that spend half that much. If he doesn't come through, I'd hint
that you might decide to talk to the Better Business bureau, or at least
take your business elsewhere. It's a simple matter of economics, IMO. Give
you what you're due and get 500 more in sales in the next 12 months and
good word-of-mouth in the bike community. Let him know you're
well-connected with the biking community and ask him (nicely) if that
doesn't mean something. Do all your talking nicely and logically, present
your case and mention that you had to -ask- for a borrowed wheel, when
normally, to a good customer, the shop should have realized 'hey he's a
hard core $$$ rider, let's -offer- a wheel', yadda, yadda.

Good luck, buddy! ;-)

-Badger

06-17-2004, 02:43 PM

Badger_South wrote:
:: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:23:28 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
::
::::: Forward, actually, though (referencing the other message),
:::
::: Stupid me....
:::
::: if you can
::::: raise your handlebars by the same amount, then your reach should
::::: be very close to what it was before you raised the seat, and you
::::: shouldn't need a new stem. If your seat tube angle and head tube
::::: angle are the same, then the bars and the seat will stay the same
::::: distance apart if you raise them both the same amount.
:::
::: I probably should have had them both done at the same time...I'll
::: probably end up being uncomfortable on the bike and end up paying
::: for the pro fitting.
::
:: IMO, they're f-ing with ya Roger. If you bought a road bike worth at
:: least 1000 bucks, the fitting should be part of it, and you
:: shouldn't have to pay. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that a bike
:: marked $1200 you should be able to dicker down to ~1000, and the
:: fitting and free adjustments for life is the norm. They should be
:: courting -your- good favor, b/c they know that you'll be spending
:: another 500 or so in the next year at their store.

I dropped over 2 grand in that store when I got the bike. I've spent more
since then, too. They lady who sold me my bike has given me some attention,
however, like when I went clipless, she spent time getting them adjusted.
They charged me for the fixing the first spoke, the second one was free, as
was the rebuild.

::
:: I'd go back and talk to the owner, tell him you planned to drop some
:: fair bill in his store, but you feel you're being screwed around
:: with, and not being given the basic normal treatment that most bike
:: shops give even customers that spend half that much. If he doesn't
:: come through, I'd hint that you might decide to talk to the Better
:: Business bureau, or at least take your business elsewhere. It's a
:: simple matter of economics, IMO. Give you what you're due and get
:: 500 more in sales in the next 12 months and good word-of-mouth in
:: the bike community. Let him know you're well-connected with the
:: biking community and ask him (nicely) if that doesn't mean
:: something. Do all your talking nicely and logically, present your
:: case and mention that you had to -ask- for a borrowed wheel, when
:: normally, to a good customer, the shop should have realized 'hey
:: he's a hard core $$$ rider, let's -offer- a wheel', yadda, yadda.

Yeah, I'd heard others here say that the fitting should be free, so my
patience wears thin. I really thinking I need to get free of them, since
they apparently see me as a payday.

::
:: Good luck, buddy! ;-)
::
:: -Badger

06-17-2004, 02:43 PM

Badger_South wrote:
:: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:23:28 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
::
::::: Forward, actually, though (referencing the other message),
:::
::: Stupid me....
:::
::: if you can
::::: raise your handlebars by the same amount, then your reach should
::::: be very close to what it was before you raised the seat, and you
::::: shouldn't need a new stem. If your seat tube angle and head tube
::::: angle are the same, then the bars and the seat will stay the same
::::: distance apart if you raise them both the same amount.
:::
::: I probably should have had them both done at the same time...I'll
::: probably end up being uncomfortable on the bike and end up paying
::: for the pro fitting.
::
:: IMO, they're f-ing with ya Roger. If you bought a road bike worth at
:: least 1000 bucks, the fitting should be part of it, and you
:: shouldn't have to pay. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that a bike
:: marked $1200 you should be able to dicker down to ~1000, and the
:: fitting and free adjustments for life is the norm. They should be
:: courting -your- good favor, b/c they know that you'll be spending
:: another 500 or so in the next year at their store.

I dropped over 2 grand in that store when I got the bike. I've spent more
since then, too. They lady who sold me my bike has given me some attention,
however, like when I went clipless, she spent time getting them adjusted.
They charged me for the fixing the first spoke, the second one was free, as
was the rebuild.

::
:: I'd go back and talk to the owner, tell him you planned to drop some
:: fair bill in his store, but you feel you're being screwed around
:: with, and not being given the basic normal treatment that most bike
:: shops give even customers that spend half that much. If he doesn't
:: come through, I'd hint that you might decide to talk to the Better
:: Business bureau, or at least take your business elsewhere. It's a
:: simple matter of economics, IMO. Give you what you're due and get
:: 500 more in sales in the next 12 months and good word-of-mouth in
:: the bike community. Let him know you're well-connected with the
:: biking community and ask him (nicely) if that doesn't mean
:: something. Do all your talking nicely and logically, present your
:: case and mention that you had to -ask- for a borrowed wheel, when
:: normally, to a good customer, the shop should have realized 'hey
:: he's a hard core $$$ rider, let's -offer- a wheel', yadda, yadda.

Yeah, I'd heard others here say that the fitting should be free, so my
patience wears thin. I really thinking I need to get free of them, since
they apparently see me as a payday.

::
:: Good luck, buddy! ;-)
::
:: -Badger

06-17-2004, 02:43 PM

Badger_South wrote:
:: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:23:28 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
::
::::: Forward, actually, though (referencing the other message),
:::
::: Stupid me....
:::
::: if you can
::::: raise your handlebars by the same amount, then your reach should
::::: be very close to what it was before you raised the seat, and you
::::: shouldn't need a new stem. If your seat tube angle and head tube
::::: angle are the same, then the bars and the seat will stay the same
::::: distance apart if you raise them both the same amount.
:::
::: I probably should have had them both done at the same time...I'll
::: probably end up being uncomfortable on the bike and end up paying
::: for the pro fitting.
::
:: IMO, they're f-ing with ya Roger. If you bought a road bike worth at
:: least 1000 bucks, the fitting should be part of it, and you
:: shouldn't have to pay. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that a bike
:: marked $1200 you should be able to dicker down to ~1000, and the
:: fitting and free adjustments for life is the norm. They should be
:: courting -your- good favor, b/c they know that you'll be spending
:: another 500 or so in the next year at their store.

I dropped over 2 grand in that store when I got the bike. I've spent more
since then, too. They lady who sold me my bike has given me some attention,
however, like when I went clipless, she spent time getting them adjusted.
They charged me for the fixing the first spoke, the second one was free, as
was the rebuild.

::
:: I'd go back and talk to the owner, tell him you planned to drop some
:: fair bill in his store, but you feel you're being screwed around
:: with, and not being given the basic normal treatment that most bike
:: shops give even customers that spend half that much. If he doesn't
:: come through, I'd hint that you might decide to talk to the Better
:: Business bureau, or at least take your business elsewhere. It's a
:: simple matter of economics, IMO. Give you what you're due and get
:: 500 more in sales in the next 12 months and good word-of-mouth in
:: the bike community. Let him know you're well-connected with the
:: biking community and ask him (nicely) if that doesn't mean
:: something. Do all your talking nicely and logically, present your
:: case and mention that you had to -ask- for a borrowed wheel, when
:: normally, to a good customer, the shop should have realized 'hey
:: he's a hard core $$$ rider, let's -offer- a wheel', yadda, yadda.

Yeah, I'd heard others here say that the fitting should be free, so my
patience wears thin. I really thinking I need to get free of them, since
they apparently see me as a payday.

::
:: Good luck, buddy! ;-)
::
:: -Badger

06-17-2004, 02:43 PM

Badger_South wrote:
:: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:23:28 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
::
::::: Forward, actually, though (referencing the other message),
:::
::: Stupid me....
:::
::: if you can
::::: raise your handlebars by the same amount, then your reach should
::::: be very close to what it was before you raised the seat, and you
::::: shouldn't need a new stem. If your seat tube angle and head tube
::::: angle are the same, then the bars and the seat will stay the same
::::: distance apart if you raise them both the same amount.
:::
::: I probably should have had them both done at the same time...I'll
::: probably end up being uncomfortable on the bike and end up paying
::: for the pro fitting.
::
:: IMO, they're f-ing with ya Roger. If you bought a road bike worth at
:: least 1000 bucks, the fitting should be part of it, and you
:: shouldn't have to pay. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that a bike
:: marked $1200 you should be able to dicker down to ~1000, and the
:: fitting and free adjustments for life is the norm. They should be
:: courting -your- good favor, b/c they know that you'll be spending
:: another 500 or so in the next year at their store.

I dropped over 2 grand in that store when I got the bike. I've spent more
since then, too. They lady who sold me my bike has given me some attention,
however, like when I went clipless, she spent time getting them adjusted.
They charged me for the fixing the first spoke, the second one was free, as
was the rebuild.

::
:: I'd go back and talk to the owner, tell him you planned to drop some
:: fair bill in his store, but you feel you're being screwed around
:: with, and not being given the basic normal treatment that most bike
:: shops give even customers that spend half that much. If he doesn't
:: come through, I'd hint that you might decide to talk to the Better
:: Business bureau, or at least take your business elsewhere. It's a
:: simple matter of economics, IMO. Give you what you're due and get
:: 500 more in sales in the next 12 months and good word-of-mouth in
:: the bike community. Let him know you're well-connected with the
:: biking community and ask him (nicely) if that doesn't mean
:: something. Do all your talking nicely and logically, present your
:: case and mention that you had to -ask- for a borrowed wheel, when
:: normally, to a good customer, the shop should have realized 'hey
:: he's a hard core $$$ rider, let's -offer- a wheel', yadda, yadda.

Yeah, I'd heard others here say that the fitting should be free, so my
patience wears thin. I really thinking I need to get free of them, since
they apparently see me as a payday.

::
:: Good luck, buddy! ;-)
::
:: -Badger

06-17-2004, 02:43 PM

Badger_South wrote:
:: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:23:28 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
::
::::: Forward, actually, though (referencing the other message),
:::
::: Stupid me....
:::
::: if you can
::::: raise your handlebars by the same amount, then your reach should
::::: be very close to what it was before you raised the seat, and you
::::: shouldn't need a new stem. If your seat tube angle and head tube
::::: angle are the same, then the bars and the seat will stay the same
::::: distance apart if you raise them both the same amount.
:::
::: I probably should have had them both done at the same time...I'll
::: probably end up being uncomfortable on the bike and end up paying
::: for the pro fitting.
::
:: IMO, they're f-ing with ya Roger. If you bought a road bike worth at
:: least 1000 bucks, the fitting should be part of it, and you
:: shouldn't have to pay. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that a bike
:: marked $1200 you should be able to dicker down to ~1000, and the
:: fitting and free adjustments for life is the norm. They should be
:: courting -your- good favor, b/c they know that you'll be spending
:: another 500 or so in the next year at their store.

I dropped over 2 grand in that store when I got the bike. I've spent more
since then, too. They lady who sold me my bike has given me some attention,
however, like when I went clipless, she spent time getting them adjusted.
They charged me for the fixing the first spoke, the second one was free, as
was the rebuild.

::
:: I'd go back and talk to the owner, tell him you planned to drop some
:: fair bill in his store, but you feel you're being screwed around
:: with, and not being given the basic normal treatment that most bike
:: shops give even customers that spend half that much. If he doesn't
:: come through, I'd hint that you might decide to talk to the Better
:: Business bureau, or at least take your business elsewhere. It's a
:: simple matter of economics, IMO. Give you what you're due and get
:: 500 more in sales in the next 12 months and good word-of-mouth in
:: the bike community. Let him know you're well-connected with the
:: biking community and ask him (nicely) if that doesn't mean
:: something. Do all your talking nicely and logically, present your
:: case and mention that you had to -ask- for a borrowed wheel, when
:: normally, to a good customer, the shop should have realized 'hey
:: he's a hard core $$$ rider, let's -offer- a wheel', yadda, yadda.

Yeah, I'd heard others here say that the fitting should be free, so my
patience wears thin. I really thinking I need to get free of them, since
they apparently see me as a payday.

::
:: Good luck, buddy! ;-)
::
:: -Badger

06-18-2004, 07:34 AM

"Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...

<snip>

> Honestly, I think I imparted a "fear factor" into the sales lady...she's
> told me over and over, and even on the day I got the bike that she thought
> the seat was too low. I honestly think that perhaps I made her feel that
> having the seat at the proper height was something I did not want. I'm a
> big guy, a newbie to biking, and she is just a 110-lb lady (who is a real
> pleasure to buy a bike from).
>
> I'm thinking the frame is okay, but how can I be sure? Well, it doesn't
> really matter now....
>

If you're new to biking your position will continue to evolve over several
years. Depending on your interests and riding style you may progressively
get longer and lower on the bike. The fit that works for a new rider will
usually be very different in a few years as you gradually stretch out and
lengthen connective tissue. What feels good today may seem very cramped and
uncomfortable later on.

Don't do anything that hurts. Once you get close to what works for your
present flexibility then all changes after should be in small increments
allowing your body to adapt to each before moving on.

Here is what I think is the best bike fit info / concept. Others will
disagree.
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Bill Brannon

06-18-2004, 07:34 AM

"Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...

<snip>

> Honestly, I think I imparted a "fear factor" into the sales lady...she's
> told me over and over, and even on the day I got the bike that she thought
> the seat was too low. I honestly think that perhaps I made her feel that
> having the seat at the proper height was something I did not want. I'm a
> big guy, a newbie to biking, and she is just a 110-lb lady (who is a real
> pleasure to buy a bike from).
>
> I'm thinking the frame is okay, but how can I be sure? Well, it doesn't
> really matter now....
>

If you're new to biking your position will continue to evolve over several
years. Depending on your interests and riding style you may progressively
get longer and lower on the bike. The fit that works for a new rider will
usually be very different in a few years as you gradually stretch out and
lengthen connective tissue. What feels good today may seem very cramped and
uncomfortable later on.

Don't do anything that hurts. Once you get close to what works for your
present flexibility then all changes after should be in small increments
allowing your body to adapt to each before moving on.

Here is what I think is the best bike fit info / concept. Others will
disagree.
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Bill Brannon

06-18-2004, 07:34 AM

"Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...

<snip>

> Honestly, I think I imparted a "fear factor" into the sales lady...she's
> told me over and over, and even on the day I got the bike that she thought
> the seat was too low. I honestly think that perhaps I made her feel that
> having the seat at the proper height was something I did not want. I'm a
> big guy, a newbie to biking, and she is just a 110-lb lady (who is a real
> pleasure to buy a bike from).
>
> I'm thinking the frame is okay, but how can I be sure? Well, it doesn't
> really matter now....
>

If you're new to biking your position will continue to evolve over several
years. Depending on your interests and riding style you may progressively
get longer and lower on the bike. The fit that works for a new rider will
usually be very different in a few years as you gradually stretch out and
lengthen connective tissue. What feels good today may seem very cramped and
uncomfortable later on.

Don't do anything that hurts. Once you get close to what works for your
present flexibility then all changes after should be in small increments
allowing your body to adapt to each before moving on.

Here is what I think is the best bike fit info / concept. Others will
disagree.
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Bill Brannon

06-18-2004, 07:34 AM

"Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...

<snip>

> Honestly, I think I imparted a "fear factor" into the sales lady...she's
> told me over and over, and even on the day I got the bike that she thought
> the seat was too low. I honestly think that perhaps I made her feel that
> having the seat at the proper height was something I did not want. I'm a
> big guy, a newbie to biking, and she is just a 110-lb lady (who is a real
> pleasure to buy a bike from).
>
> I'm thinking the frame is okay, but how can I be sure? Well, it doesn't
> really matter now....
>

If you're new to biking your position will continue to evolve over several
years. Depending on your interests and riding style you may progressively
get longer and lower on the bike. The fit that works for a new rider will
usually be very different in a few years as you gradually stretch out and
lengthen connective tissue. What feels good today may seem very cramped and
uncomfortable later on.

Don't do anything that hurts. Once you get close to what works for your
present flexibility then all changes after should be in small increments
allowing your body to adapt to each before moving on.

Here is what I think is the best bike fit info / concept. Others will
disagree.
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Bill Brannon