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06-18-2004, 07:34 AM
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| Re: Effect of raising saddle? "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... <snip> > Honestly, I think I imparted a "fear factor" into the sales lady...she's > told me over and over, and even on the day I got the bike that she thought > the seat was too low. I honestly think that perhaps I made her feel that > having the seat at the proper height was something I did not want. I'm a > big guy, a newbie to biking, and she is just a 110-lb lady (who is a real > pleasure to buy a bike from). > > I'm thinking the frame is okay, but how can I be sure? Well, it doesn't > really matter now.... > If you're new to biking your position will continue to evolve over several years. Depending on your interests and riding style you may progressively get longer and lower on the bike. The fit that works for a new rider will usually be very different in a few years as you gradually stretch out and lengthen connective tissue. What feels good today may seem very cramped and uncomfortable later on. Don't do anything that hurts. Once you get close to what works for your present flexibility then all changes after should be in small increments allowing your body to adapt to each before moving on. Here is what I think is the best bike fit info / concept. Others will disagree. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Bill Brannon |
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06-18-2004, 08:32 AM
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| Re: Effect of raising saddle? Bill wrote: :: "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message :: news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... :: :: <snip> :: ::: Honestly, I think I imparted a "fear factor" into the sales ::: lady...she's told me over and over, and even on the day I got the ::: bike that she thought the seat was too low. I honestly think that ::: perhaps I made her feel that having the seat at the proper height ::: was something I did not want. I'm a big guy, a newbie to biking, ::: and she is just a 110-lb lady (who is a real pleasure to buy a bike ::: from). ::: ::: I'm thinking the frame is okay, but how can I be sure? Well, it ::: doesn't really matter now.... ::: :: :: If you're new to biking your position will continue to evolve over :: several years. Depending on your interests and riding style you may :: progressively get longer and lower on the bike. The fit that works :: for a new rider will usually be very different in a few years as you :: gradually stretch out and lengthen connective tissue. What feels :: good today may seem very cramped and uncomfortable later on. :: :: Don't do anything that hurts. Once you get close to what works for :: your present flexibility then all changes after should be in small :: increments allowing your body to adapt to each before moving on. :: :: Here is what I think is the best bike fit info / concept. Others will :: disagree. :: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] thanks....I'm reading it now... |
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06-18-2004, 08:32 AM
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| Re: Effect of raising saddle? Bill wrote: :: "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message :: news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... :: :: <snip> :: ::: Honestly, I think I imparted a "fear factor" into the sales ::: lady...she's told me over and over, and even on the day I got the ::: bike that she thought the seat was too low. I honestly think that ::: perhaps I made her feel that having the seat at the proper height ::: was something I did not want. I'm a big guy, a newbie to biking, ::: and she is just a 110-lb lady (who is a real pleasure to buy a bike ::: from). ::: ::: I'm thinking the frame is okay, but how can I be sure? Well, it ::: doesn't really matter now.... ::: :: :: If you're new to biking your position will continue to evolve over :: several years. Depending on your interests and riding style you may :: progressively get longer and lower on the bike. The fit that works :: for a new rider will usually be very different in a few years as you :: gradually stretch out and lengthen connective tissue. What feels :: good today may seem very cramped and uncomfortable later on. :: :: Don't do anything that hurts. Once you get close to what works for :: your present flexibility then all changes after should be in small :: increments allowing your body to adapt to each before moving on. :: :: Here is what I think is the best bike fit info / concept. Others will :: disagree. :: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] thanks....I'm reading it now... |
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06-18-2004, 08:32 AM
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| Re: Effect of raising saddle? Bill wrote: :: "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message :: news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... :: :: <snip> :: ::: Honestly, I think I imparted a "fear factor" into the sales ::: lady...she's told me over and over, and even on the day I got the ::: bike that she thought the seat was too low. I honestly think that ::: perhaps I made her feel that having the seat at the proper height ::: was something I did not want. I'm a big guy, a newbie to biking, ::: and she is just a 110-lb lady (who is a real pleasure to buy a bike ::: from). ::: ::: I'm thinking the frame is okay, but how can I be sure? Well, it ::: doesn't really matter now.... ::: :: :: If you're new to biking your position will continue to evolve over :: several years. Depending on your interests and riding style you may :: progressively get longer and lower on the bike. The fit that works :: for a new rider will usually be very different in a few years as you :: gradually stretch out and lengthen connective tissue. What feels :: good today may seem very cramped and uncomfortable later on. :: :: Don't do anything that hurts. Once you get close to what works for :: your present flexibility then all changes after should be in small :: increments allowing your body to adapt to each before moving on. :: :: Here is what I think is the best bike fit info / concept. Others will :: disagree. :: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] thanks....I'm reading it now... |
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06-18-2004, 08:32 AM
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| Re: Effect of raising saddle? Bill wrote: :: "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message :: news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... :: :: <snip> :: ::: Honestly, I think I imparted a "fear factor" into the sales ::: lady...she's told me over and over, and even on the day I got the ::: bike that she thought the seat was too low. I honestly think that ::: perhaps I made her feel that having the seat at the proper height ::: was something I did not want. I'm a big guy, a newbie to biking, ::: and she is just a 110-lb lady (who is a real pleasure to buy a bike ::: from). ::: ::: I'm thinking the frame is okay, but how can I be sure? Well, it ::: doesn't really matter now.... ::: :: :: If you're new to biking your position will continue to evolve over :: several years. Depending on your interests and riding style you may :: progressively get longer and lower on the bike. The fit that works :: for a new rider will usually be very different in a few years as you :: gradually stretch out and lengthen connective tissue. What feels :: good today may seem very cramped and uncomfortable later on. :: :: Don't do anything that hurts. Once you get close to what works for :: your present flexibility then all changes after should be in small :: increments allowing your body to adapt to each before moving on. :: :: Here is what I think is the best bike fit info / concept. Others will :: disagree. :: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] thanks....I'm reading it now... |
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06-18-2004, 08:32 AM
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| Re: Effect of raising saddle? Bill wrote: :: "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message :: news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... :: :: <snip> :: ::: Honestly, I think I imparted a "fear factor" into the sales ::: lady...she's told me over and over, and even on the day I got the ::: bike that she thought the seat was too low. I honestly think that ::: perhaps I made her feel that having the seat at the proper height ::: was something I did not want. I'm a big guy, a newbie to biking, ::: and she is just a 110-lb lady (who is a real pleasure to buy a bike ::: from). ::: ::: I'm thinking the frame is okay, but how can I be sure? Well, it ::: doesn't really matter now.... ::: :: :: If you're new to biking your position will continue to evolve over :: several years. Depending on your interests and riding style you may :: progressively get longer and lower on the bike. The fit that works :: for a new rider will usually be very different in a few years as you :: gradually stretch out and lengthen connective tissue. What feels :: good today may seem very cramped and uncomfortable later on. :: :: Don't do anything that hurts. Once you get close to what works for :: your present flexibility then all changes after should be in small :: increments allowing your body to adapt to each before moving on. :: :: Here is what I think is the best bike fit info / concept. Others will :: disagree. :: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] thanks....I'm reading it now... |
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06-18-2004, 09:35 AM
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| Re: Effect of raising saddle? psycholist wrote: :: "Frank Krygowski" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message :: news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].edu... ::: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: :::: Anyway, since folks have been telling me to raise my saddle :::: (including the cute lady who sold me my bike ::: ::: ;-) I think it's time you posted the cutie's picture. ::: ::: :::: -- I think she was afraid for me at first so :::: played it safe), I thought to ask for some assistance on getting :::: it close (they're pushing me to pay the $100 for a professional :::: fitting). Anyway, one of the guys (a mechanic and one of the two :::: people there who does the fittings) decides to help me out...puts :::: the bike on the trainer and has me start riding. By then end of :::: 30 minutes or so, he has raised the saddle hight by 2.5 inches!! :::: :::: I'm wondering what practical difference this will make? ::: ::: 2.5 inches will make a huge practical difference! ::: ::: Riding a saddle that's too low is like doing a Groucho Marx duck ::: walk all day long. It puts lots of unnecessary strain on your ::: knees. ::: ::: You mention doing leg presses. You should be able to verify the ::: idea with that machine, if it's got enough adjustment. See how ::: much you can raise with your leg nearly extended, versus how little ::: you can raise with your knees deeply bent. ::: ::: One way of setting saddle height is to lean against a wall to ::: support yourself, unclip, put your _heels_ on the pedals, and ::: backpedal. Your seat should be high enough so you can barely ::: contact the pedals at their lowest point. (Hip rocking to ::: "stretch" is not allowed.) ::: ::: If you set your seat height this way, then when you clip in ::: properly, you'll have about the right bend (i.e. pretty slight) in ::: your knees. ::: ::: Of course, nothing's perfect. This works pretty well if your body - ::: especially shoe size - is all "normal." Feel free to make slight ::: adjustements to fine tune things. ::: ::: With the seat high enough, you'll ride _much_ stronger. ::: ::: (With the seat too high, your hips might rock and cause saddle ::: problems, or you may get pain in the back of the knee from ::: over-extending.) ::: ::: -- ::: --------------------+ ::: Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com, ::: replace with cc.ysu dot edu] ::: :: :: The website for Colorado Cyclist has a fitting section that's quite :: comprehensive and that's based on most of the latest thinking on :: proper bike fit. Go to [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Thanks, Bob...I'll go read it too. |
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06-18-2004, 09:35 AM
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| Re: Effect of raising saddle? psycholist wrote: :: "Frank Krygowski" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message :: news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].edu... ::: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: :::: Anyway, since folks have been telling me to raise my saddle :::: (including the cute lady who sold me my bike ::: ::: ;-) I think it's time you posted the cutie's picture. ::: ::: :::: -- I think she was afraid for me at first so :::: played it safe), I thought to ask for some assistance on getting :::: it close (they're pushing me to pay the $100 for a professional :::: fitting). Anyway, one of the guys (a mechanic and one of the two :::: people there who does the fittings) decides to help me out...puts :::: the bike on the trainer and has me start riding. By then end of :::: 30 minutes or so, he has raised the saddle hight by 2.5 inches!! :::: :::: I'm wondering what practical difference this will make? ::: ::: 2.5 inches will make a huge practical difference! ::: ::: Riding a saddle that's too low is like doing a Groucho Marx duck ::: walk all day long. It puts lots of unnecessary strain on your ::: knees. ::: ::: You mention doing leg presses. You should be able to verify the ::: idea with that machine, if it's got enough adjustment. See how ::: much you can raise with your leg nearly extended, versus how little ::: you can raise with your knees deeply bent. ::: ::: One way of setting saddle height is to lean against a wall to ::: support yourself, unclip, put your _heels_ on the pedals, and ::: backpedal. Your seat should be high enough so you can barely ::: contact the pedals at their lowest point. (Hip rocking to ::: "stretch" is not allowed.) ::: ::: If you set your seat height this way, then when you clip in ::: properly, you'll have about the right bend (i.e. pretty slight) in ::: your knees. ::: ::: Of course, nothing's perfect. This works pretty well if your body - ::: especially shoe size - is all "normal." Feel free to make slight ::: adjustements to fine tune things. ::: ::: With the seat high enough, you'll ride _much_ stronger. ::: ::: (With the seat too high, your hips might rock and cause saddle ::: problems, or you may get pain in the back of the knee from ::: over-extending.) ::: ::: -- ::: --------------------+ ::: Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com, ::: replace with cc.ysu dot edu] ::: :: :: The website for Colorado Cyclist has a fitting section that's quite :: comprehensive and that's based on most of the latest thinking on :: proper bike fit. Go to [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Thanks, Bob...I'll go read it too. |
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06-18-2004, 09:35 AM
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| Re: Effect of raising saddle? psycholist wrote: :: "Frank Krygowski" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message :: news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].edu... ::: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: :::: Anyway, since folks have been telling me to raise my saddle :::: (including the cute lady who sold me my bike ::: ::: ;-) I think it's time you posted the cutie's picture. ::: ::: :::: -- I think she was afraid for me at first so :::: played it safe), I thought to ask for some assistance on getting :::: it close (they're pushing me to pay the $100 for a professional :::: fitting). Anyway, one of the guys (a mechanic and one of the two :::: people there who does the fittings) decides to help me out...puts :::: the bike on the trainer and has me start riding. By then end of :::: 30 minutes or so, he has raised the saddle hight by 2.5 inches!! :::: :::: I'm wondering what practical difference this will make? ::: ::: 2.5 inches will make a huge practical difference! ::: ::: Riding a saddle that's too low is like doing a Groucho Marx duck ::: walk all day long. It puts lots of unnecessary strain on your ::: knees. ::: ::: You mention doing leg presses. You should be able to verify the ::: idea with that machine, if it's got enough adjustment. See how ::: much you can raise with your leg nearly extended, versus how little ::: you can raise with your knees deeply bent. ::: ::: One way of setting saddle height is to lean against a wall to ::: support yourself, unclip, put your _heels_ on the pedals, and ::: backpedal. Your seat should be high enough so you can barely ::: contact the pedals at their lowest point. (Hip rocking to ::: "stretch" is not allowed.) ::: ::: If you set your seat height this way, then when you clip in ::: properly, you'll have about the right bend (i.e. pretty slight) in ::: your knees. ::: ::: Of course, nothing's perfect. This works pretty well if your body - ::: especially shoe size - is all "normal." Feel free to make slight ::: adjustements to fine tune things. ::: ::: With the seat high enough, you'll ride _much_ stronger. ::: ::: (With the seat too high, your hips might rock and cause saddle ::: problems, or you may get pain in the back of the knee from ::: over-extending.) ::: ::: -- ::: --------------------+ ::: Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com, ::: replace with cc.ysu dot edu] ::: :: :: The website for Colorado Cyclist has a fitting section that's quite :: comprehensive and that's based on most of the latest thinking on :: proper bike fit. Go to [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Thanks, Bob...I'll go read it too. |
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06-18-2004, 09:35 AM
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| Re: Effect of raising saddle? psycholist wrote: :: "Frank Krygowski" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message :: news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].edu... ::: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: :::: Anyway, since folks have been telling me to raise my saddle :::: (including the cute lady who sold me my bike ::: ::: ;-) I think it's time you posted the cutie's picture. ::: ::: :::: -- I think she was afraid for me at first so :::: played it safe), I thought to ask for some assistance on getting :::: it close (they're pushing me to pay the $100 for a professional :::: fitting). Anyway, one of the guys (a mechanic and one of the two :::: people there who does the fittings) decides to help me out...puts :::: the bike on the trainer and has me start riding. By then end of :::: 30 minutes or so, he has raised the saddle hight by 2.5 inches!! :::: :::: I'm wondering what practical difference this will make? ::: ::: 2.5 inches will make a huge practical difference! ::: ::: Riding a saddle that's too low is like doing a Groucho Marx duck ::: walk all day long. It puts lots of unnecessary strain on your ::: knees. ::: ::: You mention doing leg presses. You should be able to verify the ::: idea with that machine, if it's got enough adjustment. See how ::: much you can raise with your leg nearly extended, versus how little ::: you can raise with your knees deeply bent. ::: ::: One way of setting saddle height is to lean against a wall to ::: support yourself, unclip, put your _heels_ on the pedals, and ::: backpedal. Your seat should be high enough so you can barely ::: contact the pedals at their lowest point. (Hip rocking to ::: "stretch" is not allowed.) ::: ::: If you set your seat height this way, then when you clip in ::: properly, you'll have about the right bend (i.e. pretty slight) in ::: your knees. ::: ::: Of course, nothing's perfect. This works pretty well if your body - ::: especially shoe size - is all "normal." Feel free to make slight ::: adjustements to fine tune things. ::: ::: With the seat high enough, you'll ride _much_ stronger. ::: ::: (With the seat too high, your hips might rock and cause saddle ::: problems, or you may get pain in the back of the knee from ::: over-extending.) ::: ::: -- ::: --------------------+ ::: Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com, ::: replace with cc.ysu dot edu] ::: :: :: The website for Colorado Cyclist has a fitting section that's quite :: comprehensive and that's based on most of the latest thinking on :: proper bike fit. Go to [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Thanks, Bob...I'll go read it too. |
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