Re: published helmet research - not troll - Page 9 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-21-2004, 07:30 PM

"Bill Z." <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Frank Krygowski <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> > Another source is the Vehicular Cyclist site, at
> > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] with it's "Helmet FAQ." There are lots
> > of citations listed there, too.
>
> This site (at least, the so-called "Helmet FAQ") was created by a rabid
> anti-helmet person who would spew continued personal abuse at anyone
> who disagreed with him in the slightest. You should note Krygowski's
> tactics. He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately
> disparages it.
>
> > Both of those are helmet skeptic sites. To be fair, I must also point
> > you to the rabidly pro-helmet "Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute",
> > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] This "institute" (named Randy Swart) is working to
> > make it illegal for anyone of any age to ride a bike at any time
> > without a helmet. I quote: "The Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute
> > supports carefully drawn mandatory helmet laws covering all age
> > groups."
>
> Randy's site is not "rabid," even if you don't agree with everything
> he says (or anything he says, for that matter.)

Sorry, but your opinion has no more weight than Frank's and at least Frank
is willing to discuss matters. Randy is not.

06-21-2004, 07:33 PM

"Bill Z." <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:37 GMT, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Bill Z.)
> > wrote in message <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>:
> >
> > > He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately
> > >disparages it.
> >
> > No need - Randy does his own auto-disparaging.
>
> Randy is no more biased than Avery (who did the one Frank liked.)
> But note the assymetrical treatment in Frank's post.

Zauman, you haven't changed in 12 years. Randy's site is even set up so that
you can't find the anti-helmet information but he puts it there in hard to
find locations so that he can say that it's really there. Avery doesn't like
helmet laws and is up front about it.

06-21-2004, 07:33 PM

"Bill Z." <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:37 GMT, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Bill Z.)
> > wrote in message <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>:
> >
> > > He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately
> > >disparages it.
> >
> > No need - Randy does his own auto-disparaging.
>
> Randy is no more biased than Avery (who did the one Frank liked.)
> But note the assymetrical treatment in Frank's post.

Zauman, you haven't changed in 12 years. Randy's site is even set up so that
you can't find the anti-helmet information but he puts it there in hard to
find locations so that he can say that it's really there. Avery doesn't like
helmet laws and is up front about it.

06-21-2004, 07:33 PM

"Bill Z." <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:37 GMT, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Bill Z.)
> > wrote in message <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>:
> >
> > > He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately
> > >disparages it.
> >
> > No need - Randy does his own auto-disparaging.
>
> Randy is no more biased than Avery (who did the one Frank liked.)
> But note the assymetrical treatment in Frank's post.

Zauman, you haven't changed in 12 years. Randy's site is even set up so that
you can't find the anti-helmet information but he puts it there in hard to
find locations so that he can say that it's really there. Avery doesn't like
helmet laws and is up front about it.

06-21-2004, 07:33 PM

"Bill Z." <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:37 GMT, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Bill Z.)
> > wrote in message <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>:
> >
> > > He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately
> > >disparages it.
> >
> > No need - Randy does his own auto-disparaging.
>
> Randy is no more biased than Avery (who did the one Frank liked.)
> But note the assymetrical treatment in Frank's post.

Zauman, you haven't changed in 12 years. Randy's site is even set up so that
you can't find the anti-helmet information but he puts it there in hard to
find locations so that he can say that it's really there. Avery doesn't like
helmet laws and is up front about it.

06-21-2004, 07:33 PM

"Bill Z." <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:37 GMT, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Bill Z.)
> > wrote in message <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>:
> >
> > > He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately
> > >disparages it.
> >
> > No need - Randy does his own auto-disparaging.
>
> Randy is no more biased than Avery (who did the one Frank liked.)
> But note the assymetrical treatment in Frank's post.

Zauman, you haven't changed in 12 years. Randy's site is even set up so that
you can't find the anti-helmet information but he puts it there in hard to
find locations so that he can say that it's really there. Avery doesn't like
helmet laws and is up front about it.

06-21-2004, 07:34 PM

"Jim Flom" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote...
> >
> > Assuming that's true, what does that matter if the odds of being
> > killed are extremely small.?
>
> I have a hard time believing you don't wear a helmet, John Forrest.
>
> Jim "academically speaking" Flom

Yeah but after he read about Lance's health problem he's been sitting on it.

06-21-2004, 07:34 PM

"Jim Flom" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote...
> >
> > Assuming that's true, what does that matter if the odds of being
> > killed are extremely small.?
>
> I have a hard time believing you don't wear a helmet, John Forrest.
>
> Jim "academically speaking" Flom

Yeah but after he read about Lance's health problem he's been sitting on it.

06-21-2004, 07:34 PM

"Jim Flom" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote...
> >
> > Assuming that's true, what does that matter if the odds of being
> > killed are extremely small.?
>
> I have a hard time believing you don't wear a helmet, John Forrest.
>
> Jim "academically speaking" Flom

Yeah but after he read about Lance's health problem he's been sitting on it.

06-21-2004, 07:34 PM

"Jim Flom" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote...
> >
> > Assuming that's true, what does that matter if the odds of being
> > killed are extremely small.?
>
> I have a hard time believing you don't wear a helmet, John Forrest.
>
> Jim "academically speaking" Flom

Yeah but after he read about Lance's health problem he's been sitting on it.