Chain, Gears & Wheel Lube - Page 10 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-17-2004, 08:15 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:12:31 GMT, John Everett
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].BOTS.net> wrote:
>>The prime directive of chain
>>maintenance is: Never Lubricate a Dirty Chain.
>
> Actually, a semi-clinical study done by one rec.bicycles person has
> produced results slightly in favor of _not_ cleaning the chain,
> certainly well enough to cast doubt on the idea that one should
> Never Lubricate a Dirty Chain.

I don't think so much in terms of cleaning a chain,
as /drying/ it. Cleaning a chain is largely prep'ing
for drying it. Subsequent lubrication of the chain
facilitates the next cleaning/drying operation, and helps
prevent rust.

Never lubricate a /wet/ chain (including wet by
previous lubrication).

If there's a lot of crud sticking to a chain, it's
because the chain is wet. Dry dust mostly just
flings off. So in more arid climes, chain cleaning
just isn't so often necessary. And that white, waxy
stuff like White Lightning is certainly good enough.

Making a wet chain wetter (no matter what it's wetted
with) just makes it attract more crud, and more crud
attracts more moisture. It's a downward spiral.

The wetness provides a vehicle for gritty particles to
work their ways into pin/roller/sideplate interfaces,
as well as getting all over your rear der, cogset and
chainrings. Rear derailers don't shift very well when
their moving parts are clogged with muck & goop inflicted
upon them by dirty chains.

I guess it's mostly particles with a Moh's hardness rating
higher than the chain's, that would cause wear. That would
include powdery silicates. I don't care too much about
preserving my chain because it's just a cheap-o, $10 KMG
knock-off of a PC-48 anyway. But I do want to keep my
dependable, old Exage rear der going for awhile. That's
what I /really/ keep clean & lubed. Maintaining the chain
is just a by-product and side-issue of that endeavour. But
if you're gonna maintain one, might as well maintain both.

If the crud is really thick, sooner or later you'll bring
your bike into your girlfriend's apartment, and it'll drop
off your chain onto her carpet like brownie batter off a
wooden spoon (at least that's how she'll see it), and she'll
moidalize ya. So, there's an incentive for bicycle hygiene.
Of course if a chain is that cruddy, the undersides of the
fenders will really be laden with all kinds of crap. When that
stuff dries out and falls on the floor, one is really in deep
doo-doo, because it makes a visibly bigger mess, even though
it's easier to sweep up than chain crud.

Anyhow, whether or not you opt to commit to the drudgery of
chain cleaning, I heartily recommend not bringing your bike
at all into your S.O.'s abode on rainy days.

cheers,
Tom

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06-18-2004, 07:37 AM

"Tom Keats" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> If the crud is really thick, sooner or later you'll bring
> your bike into your girlfriend's apartment, and it'll drop
> off your chain onto her carpet like brownie batter off a
> wooden spoon (at least that's how she'll see it), and she'll
> moidalize ya.

This sounds like the Voice of Experience.

Anyway, I learned from the Sheldon Brown website that the technical term for
what you called "crud" is "schmutz".

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06-18-2004, 07:37 AM

"Tom Keats" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> If the crud is really thick, sooner or later you'll bring
> your bike into your girlfriend's apartment, and it'll drop
> off your chain onto her carpet like brownie batter off a
> wooden spoon (at least that's how she'll see it), and she'll
> moidalize ya.

This sounds like the Voice of Experience.

Anyway, I learned from the Sheldon Brown website that the technical term for
what you called "crud" is "schmutz".

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06-18-2004, 07:37 AM

"Tom Keats" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> If the crud is really thick, sooner or later you'll bring
> your bike into your girlfriend's apartment, and it'll drop
> off your chain onto her carpet like brownie batter off a
> wooden spoon (at least that's how she'll see it), and she'll
> moidalize ya.

This sounds like the Voice of Experience.

Anyway, I learned from the Sheldon Brown website that the technical term for
what you called "crud" is "schmutz".

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Claire Petersky
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06-18-2004, 07:37 AM

"Tom Keats" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:knmtac.a6d.ln@bud.garden.local...

> If the crud is really thick, sooner or later you'll bring
> your bike into your girlfriend's apartment, and it'll drop
> off your chain onto her carpet like brownie batter off a
> wooden spoon (at least that's how she'll see it), and she'll
> moidalize ya.

This sounds like the Voice of Experience.

Anyway, I learned from the Sheldon Brown website that the technical term for
what you called "crud" is "schmutz".

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Claire Petersky
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06-18-2004, 07:37 AM

"Tom Keats" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:knmtac.a6d.ln@bud.garden.local...

> If the crud is really thick, sooner or later you'll bring
> your bike into your girlfriend's apartment, and it'll drop
> off your chain onto her carpet like brownie batter off a
> wooden spoon (at least that's how she'll see it), and she'll
> moidalize ya.

This sounds like the Voice of Experience.

Anyway, I learned from the Sheldon Brown website that the technical term for
what you called "crud" is "schmutz".

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Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
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06-18-2004, 11:54 AM

"Ian $remove the antispam$" <ianstock"antispam"@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>...
> What's better for regular lubing of chain, hubs, derailleur, etc on a hybrid
> used mostly for road touring?
>
> A very light spray oil (like WD-40), something heavier (3 in 1 light machine
> oil), or a heavier grease?
>
> I'd like to be able to avoid buying the small overpriced bottle of "chain
> lube" at the bike shop.

From someone who once used chain saw motor oil for lube, don't use
that! It collected dirt and grime like there was no tomorrow.

06-18-2004, 11:54 AM

"Ian $remove the antispam$" <ianstock"antispam"@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>...
> What's better for regular lubing of chain, hubs, derailleur, etc on a hybrid
> used mostly for road touring?
>
> A very light spray oil (like WD-40), something heavier (3 in 1 light machine
> oil), or a heavier grease?
>
> I'd like to be able to avoid buying the small overpriced bottle of "chain
> lube" at the bike shop.

From someone who once used chain saw motor oil for lube, don't use
that! It collected dirt and grime like there was no tomorrow.

06-18-2004, 11:54 AM

"Ian $remove the antispam$" <ianstock"antispam"@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>...
> What's better for regular lubing of chain, hubs, derailleur, etc on a hybrid
> used mostly for road touring?
>
> A very light spray oil (like WD-40), something heavier (3 in 1 light machine
> oil), or a heavier grease?
>
> I'd like to be able to avoid buying the small overpriced bottle of "chain
> lube" at the bike shop.

From someone who once used chain saw motor oil for lube, don't use
that! It collected dirt and grime like there was no tomorrow.

06-18-2004, 11:54 AM

"Ian $remove the antispam$" <ianstock"antispam"@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>...
> What's better for regular lubing of chain, hubs, derailleur, etc on a hybrid
> used mostly for road touring?
>
> A very light spray oil (like WD-40), something heavier (3 in 1 light machine
> oil), or a heavier grease?
>
> I'd like to be able to avoid buying the small overpriced bottle of "chain
> lube" at the bike shop.

From someone who once used chain saw motor oil for lube, don't use
that! It collected dirt and grime like there was no tomorrow.