Re: I was misled - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

07-03-2004, 05:25 PM

Andrew Muzi writes:

>>>> Torture = more heads cut off. That's happening right now.
>>>> Elsewhere in this thread J. Brandt talks of redressing grievances
>>>> as the only "cure" for terrorism. A point worth consideration;
>>>> what we are doing now doesn't seem to be working, does it?

>>> So let me get this straight... we take a position that we'll
>>> negotiate with any group that uses terrorism to overcome their
>>> lack of legitimate political power. Yeah, that'll work.

>> Who said anything about negotiating. The US has got to stop
>> treating the nations and their people as US serfs (our national
>> interests first) and stop supporting others who deny them their
>> existence as humans.

>>> Terrorist = ****roach. You don't negotiate with ****roaches.

>> There you go again, dehumanizing the entire people of the middle
>> east. Cut it out and become aware of condescending paternalism
>> that makes US foreign policy so odious. You seem not to notice the
>> tone at all. ... and of course some of them are my best friends.

> You make a good point, but then seem to imply "the entire people of
> the middle east" are terrorists?? Or to imply that the scum deserve
> something less than condescension??

Not at all. It was Mark who justifies our imperial dominion over Iraq
by saying we shouldn't give terrorists any civil liberties, when
terrorists are made of ordinary citizens who feel that there is no
future for them under the circumstances and that playing by the rules
the occupiers dictate, their lives are still subjugated to a foreign
power. For clarification of this I suggest people listen to the
interviews on NPR with such people.

> They didn't become subhuman by any of Mark's words, it was
> by their own hands.

They are called ****roaches. That is sub human to me and they are in
large part ordinary citizens who have turned to this by having been
subjugated to a life with little light on the horizon. As I said,
listen to the interviews on NPR:

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The situation in Iraq is not the way the administration pictures it.
That of jubilant citizens feting their new independence on the 4th of
July. The enthusiastic voices I heard on the news sharply contrast to
what was found by the Harvard research team, whose report I posted
here.

Jobst Brandt
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