Lance for number 7? - Page 12 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

07-22-2004, 05:42 AM

Actually34 wrote:
:: The question isn't whether LA CAN win #7; the question is whether he
:: wants to.

Based on how he's going after win #6, I see no reason to believe that he
would not want #7. The man loves what he does (so do I, too!).

07-22-2004, 09:38 AM

>Bonehenge [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

wrote:

>
>The same way race car sponsors collect monetary reparations if a team
>doesn't meet stated criteria? Many of those sponsorships are based
>on who's driving the car, usually with advertising and public
>appearances designed around the star.
>
>It's as easily enforced as any other clause. Break it and the sponsor
>doesn't pay, or the sponsor pays less. Who says a sponsorship
>contract requires 100% payment up front?
>
>Barry

As I said, I'm no lawyer but I think you are missing a critical difference
between race car sponsorship deals and cycling team sponsorship deals. To use
the USPS team as an example, there are at least 11 other people on that team
with individual employment contracts with Tailwind Sports (the team owners)
*and the sponsor* so what happens to those contractual obligations if Lance
quits or is injured and can't ride? How many people does a typical USAC,
NASCAR, or Formula sponsor have under contract?
Depending on how the sponsorship contract is written USPS could refuse to pay
certain bonuses and bonuses are what you are really referring to when you talk
about race car contracts and stipulations. The mechanics and other support
staff still get paid even if the driver loses or quits.
I may be mistaken but I really doubt there's any "Lance *must* ride" clause in
the new sponsorship deal. As for enforcement, let me ask this...
If there *were* such a clause and Lance showed up to race and then abandons in
the first kilometer of every race what do you envision Discovery Enterprises
doing about it, besides not paying bonuses that is? That's what I mean by
"unenforceable".

Regards,
Bob Hunt

07-22-2004, 09:38 AM

>Bonehenge [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

wrote:

>
>The same way race car sponsors collect monetary reparations if a team
>doesn't meet stated criteria? Many of those sponsorships are based
>on who's driving the car, usually with advertising and public
>appearances designed around the star.
>
>It's as easily enforced as any other clause. Break it and the sponsor
>doesn't pay, or the sponsor pays less. Who says a sponsorship
>contract requires 100% payment up front?
>
>Barry

As I said, I'm no lawyer but I think you are missing a critical difference
between race car sponsorship deals and cycling team sponsorship deals. To use
the USPS team as an example, there are at least 11 other people on that team
with individual employment contracts with Tailwind Sports (the team owners)
*and the sponsor* so what happens to those contractual obligations if Lance
quits or is injured and can't ride? How many people does a typical USAC,
NASCAR, or Formula sponsor have under contract?
Depending on how the sponsorship contract is written USPS could refuse to pay
certain bonuses and bonuses are what you are really referring to when you talk
about race car contracts and stipulations. The mechanics and other support
staff still get paid even if the driver loses or quits.
I may be mistaken but I really doubt there's any "Lance *must* ride" clause in
the new sponsorship deal. As for enforcement, let me ask this...
If there *were* such a clause and Lance showed up to race and then abandons in
the first kilometer of every race what do you envision Discovery Enterprises
doing about it, besides not paying bonuses that is? That's what I mean by
"unenforceable".

Regards,
Bob Hunt

07-22-2004, 09:38 AM

>Bonehenge [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

wrote:

>
>The same way race car sponsors collect monetary reparations if a team
>doesn't meet stated criteria? Many of those sponsorships are based
>on who's driving the car, usually with advertising and public
>appearances designed around the star.
>
>It's as easily enforced as any other clause. Break it and the sponsor
>doesn't pay, or the sponsor pays less. Who says a sponsorship
>contract requires 100% payment up front?
>
>Barry

As I said, I'm no lawyer but I think you are missing a critical difference
between race car sponsorship deals and cycling team sponsorship deals. To use
the USPS team as an example, there are at least 11 other people on that team
with individual employment contracts with Tailwind Sports (the team owners)
*and the sponsor* so what happens to those contractual obligations if Lance
quits or is injured and can't ride? How many people does a typical USAC,
NASCAR, or Formula sponsor have under contract?
Depending on how the sponsorship contract is written USPS could refuse to pay
certain bonuses and bonuses are what you are really referring to when you talk
about race car contracts and stipulations. The mechanics and other support
staff still get paid even if the driver loses or quits.
I may be mistaken but I really doubt there's any "Lance *must* ride" clause in
the new sponsorship deal. As for enforcement, let me ask this...
If there *were* such a clause and Lance showed up to race and then abandons in
the first kilometer of every race what do you envision Discovery Enterprises
doing about it, besides not paying bonuses that is? That's what I mean by
"unenforceable".

Regards,
Bob Hunt

07-22-2004, 09:38 AM

>Bonehenge [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

wrote:

>
>The same way race car sponsors collect monetary reparations if a team
>doesn't meet stated criteria? Many of those sponsorships are based
>on who's driving the car, usually with advertising and public
>appearances designed around the star.
>
>It's as easily enforced as any other clause. Break it and the sponsor
>doesn't pay, or the sponsor pays less. Who says a sponsorship
>contract requires 100% payment up front?
>
>Barry

As I said, I'm no lawyer but I think you are missing a critical difference
between race car sponsorship deals and cycling team sponsorship deals. To use
the USPS team as an example, there are at least 11 other people on that team
with individual employment contracts with Tailwind Sports (the team owners)
*and the sponsor* so what happens to those contractual obligations if Lance
quits or is injured and can't ride? How many people does a typical USAC,
NASCAR, or Formula sponsor have under contract?
Depending on how the sponsorship contract is written USPS could refuse to pay
certain bonuses and bonuses are what you are really referring to when you talk
about race car contracts and stipulations. The mechanics and other support
staff still get paid even if the driver loses or quits.
I may be mistaken but I really doubt there's any "Lance *must* ride" clause in
the new sponsorship deal. As for enforcement, let me ask this...
If there *were* such a clause and Lance showed up to race and then abandons in
the first kilometer of every race what do you envision Discovery Enterprises
doing about it, besides not paying bonuses that is? That's what I mean by
"unenforceable".

Regards,
Bob Hunt

07-22-2004, 09:38 AM

>Bonehenge [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

wrote:

>
>The same way race car sponsors collect monetary reparations if a team
>doesn't meet stated criteria? Many of those sponsorships are based
>on who's driving the car, usually with advertising and public
>appearances designed around the star.
>
>It's as easily enforced as any other clause. Break it and the sponsor
>doesn't pay, or the sponsor pays less. Who says a sponsorship
>contract requires 100% payment up front?
>
>Barry

As I said, I'm no lawyer but I think you are missing a critical difference
between race car sponsorship deals and cycling team sponsorship deals. To use
the USPS team as an example, there are at least 11 other people on that team
with individual employment contracts with Tailwind Sports (the team owners)
*and the sponsor* so what happens to those contractual obligations if Lance
quits or is injured and can't ride? How many people does a typical USAC,
NASCAR, or Formula sponsor have under contract?
Depending on how the sponsorship contract is written USPS could refuse to pay
certain bonuses and bonuses are what you are really referring to when you talk
about race car contracts and stipulations. The mechanics and other support
staff still get paid even if the driver loses or quits.
I may be mistaken but I really doubt there's any "Lance *must* ride" clause in
the new sponsorship deal. As for enforcement, let me ask this...
If there *were* such a clause and Lance showed up to race and then abandons in
the first kilometer of every race what do you envision Discovery Enterprises
doing about it, besides not paying bonuses that is? That's what I mean by
"unenforceable".

Regards,
Bob Hunt

07-22-2004, 07:33 PM

maxo wrote:
> Our theory at the LBS is that the only likely "accident" that would cost
> him the race is an overzealous and tipply American fan that might knock
> him of the bike. LOL.
>
> "Go Dude!!!"
>
> thud
>
> "oops..."

Been thinking about this, and how the peleton does odd things
sometimes (e.g. a few years back, the day after Casartelli died on a
hill they rode in formation and no one contested anything...all
riders, "same time").
We're at what, T-2 days? If the longhorn guy or the devil or the
double birdie orangey or anyone else did something to knock Our Hero
off his pedals, my gut feeling is that his teammates, and the peleton,
would hoist him back in the saddle, clip him in, and drag him to the
finish where his front wheel would be thrust in front just enough to
win it.
I mean, would you want your name as the winner with that big fat
honkin' asterisk by it?
Yeah, watch out for that Cubbie guy.
JMHO
--Karen M.

07-22-2004, 07:33 PM

maxo wrote:
> Our theory at the LBS is that the only likely "accident" that would cost
> him the race is an overzealous and tipply American fan that might knock
> him of the bike. LOL.
>
> "Go Dude!!!"
>
> thud
>
> "oops..."

Been thinking about this, and how the peleton does odd things
sometimes (e.g. a few years back, the day after Casartelli died on a
hill they rode in formation and no one contested anything...all
riders, "same time").
We're at what, T-2 days? If the longhorn guy or the devil or the
double birdie orangey or anyone else did something to knock Our Hero
off his pedals, my gut feeling is that his teammates, and the peleton,
would hoist him back in the saddle, clip him in, and drag him to the
finish where his front wheel would be thrust in front just enough to
win it.
I mean, would you want your name as the winner with that big fat
honkin' asterisk by it?
Yeah, watch out for that Cubbie guy.
JMHO
--Karen M.

07-22-2004, 07:33 PM

maxo wrote:
> Our theory at the LBS is that the only likely "accident" that would cost
> him the race is an overzealous and tipply American fan that might knock
> him of the bike. LOL.
>
> "Go Dude!!!"
>
> thud
>
> "oops..."

Been thinking about this, and how the peleton does odd things
sometimes (e.g. a few years back, the day after Casartelli died on a
hill they rode in formation and no one contested anything...all
riders, "same time").
We're at what, T-2 days? If the longhorn guy or the devil or the
double birdie orangey or anyone else did something to knock Our Hero
off his pedals, my gut feeling is that his teammates, and the peleton,
would hoist him back in the saddle, clip him in, and drag him to the
finish where his front wheel would be thrust in front just enough to
win it.
I mean, would you want your name as the winner with that big fat
honkin' asterisk by it?
Yeah, watch out for that Cubbie guy.
JMHO
--Karen M.

07-22-2004, 07:33 PM

maxo wrote:
> Our theory at the LBS is that the only likely "accident" that would cost
> him the race is an overzealous and tipply American fan that might knock
> him of the bike. LOL.
>
> "Go Dude!!!"
>
> thud
>
> "oops..."

Been thinking about this, and how the peleton does odd things
sometimes (e.g. a few years back, the day after Casartelli died on a
hill they rode in formation and no one contested anything...all
riders, "same time").
We're at what, T-2 days? If the longhorn guy or the devil or the
double birdie orangey or anyone else did something to knock Our Hero
off his pedals, my gut feeling is that his teammates, and the peleton,
would hoist him back in the saddle, clip him in, and drag him to the
finish where his front wheel would be thrust in front just enough to
win it.
I mean, would you want your name as the winner with that big fat
honkin' asterisk by it?
Yeah, watch out for that Cubbie guy.
JMHO
--Karen M.